Lansing –Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's personal attorney, slapped Michigan lawmakers on Wednesday, asking them to intervene in the November 3 election results while relying on fraud claims that have not been proven or have been dismissed by experts .
Giuliani and Jenna Ellis, legal counsel to the president, urged the state's certified elections to be discredited during an unusual hearing by the Michigan House Oversight Committee that lasted longer than four hours. It came as Republican pressure increased on the GOP-controlled legislature to try somehow to overthrow Democratic-elected President Joe Biden's 154,000-vote victory.
"You are the final arbiter on how honest or not honest your choice is in your state," Giuliani told lawmakers. "And it is your responsibility to withstand it.
"I can only tell you if we're going to let her get away with it, I don't know what will happen after that."
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The US Constitution provides lawmakers with a tool to intervene in elections with corruption and foreign influence, Ellis claimed. Under Michigan law, the state's 16 electoral votes go to the certified popular vote winner.
Trump lost Michigan 51% -48% or 154,000 votes to Biden. The results were confirmed by non-partisan billboards in all 83 counties and by the Board of State Canvassers.
During the hearing on Wednesday night, Home Inspector Matt Hall, R-Marshall, allowed Giuliani to interview witnesses, including a former Detroit city employee named Jessy Jacob – an extremely unusual move. Ordinarily the House legislators ask the questions of those who appear before their committees.
The purpose of the meeting was to hear from people who witnessed things at the TCF Center where Detroit's postal vote was being counted, Hall said. But Rep. Cynthia Johnson, D-Detroit, said they should have been sworn in before giving up their accounts. She said "the world" was watching.
"They allow people to come here and lie. And I know they are lying," Johnson told Hall.
Giuliani once replied that all the witnesses had signed affidavits.
Rep. Aaron Miller, R-Sturgis, who was not on the oversight committee, busted Giuliani's closing remarks in which the former New York City mayor urged lawmakers to abandon the findings.
"I'm glad to listen to the evidence and allegations thoughtfully, and that's what this should be about today, but Mr Giuliani's last statement is insane," Miller said. "He has committed wild and widespread partisan slurs unrelated to the election for a few minutes and it has been frankly unacceptable, shameful and pathetic and distracts from any evidence we might hear. I am extremely embarrassed. "
When members of the Democratic Committee tried to cut off speakers before the committee on Wednesday, Hall knocked them out.
Jacob claimed the ballots were counted without proper verification at the TCF center. Then Mellissa Carone, who worked as a contractor for Dominion Voting Systems at the TCF Center, said she had seen thousands of votes that were scrolled through tabs multiple times.
Election officials have signed affidavits that both Jacob and Carone did not understand what they were seeing at the TCF Center. A Wayne County judge in November called Carone's claims "unbelievable"Court decision.
Similarly, Chris Thomas, Michigan's longtime former polling officer who helped conduct the November 3 election in Detroit, said that the review Jacob sought did not take place at the TCF Center because it took place before the ballot was cast .
"The ballots delivered to the TCF Center were reviewed by the clerk's staff prior to delivery in a process required by Michigan law," Thomas said in a Nov. 11 affidavit.
At another point, Rep. Steven Johnson, R-Wayland, Carone pressed why there were no significant differences between the total number of ballot books tracking voters and the total number of ballot papers.
"What did you do, take it and do something crazy with it?" Carone then asked the West Michigan Conservative legislature about the Detroit election books.
Carone also pointed to a turnout of 120%. The turnout in Detroit was 51%.
Giuliani, the former New York City mayor, reiterated unsubstantiated allegations of election fraud during a briefing in Michigan on Wednesday and relied on state law to intervene.
During a Zoom event with Michigan Republican Party leader Laura Cox, Giuliani urged residents to tell their lawmakers to "stand up for a free and fair election."
"Nobody asks a Republican to commit a crime. I wouldn't do it and the president would fire me if I did," Giuliani once said. "But I ask you not to be a coward."
Giuliani's comments came about two hours before he appeared before the Michigan House Oversight Committee in Lansing to discuss electoral integrity.
Trump's campaign has sought to challenge the results of the November 3 elections in several states in an attempt to delay or prevent Biden's victory.
On Wednesday, Giuliani claimed that state lawmakers are primarily responsible for selecting the US president because they are the government "closest to the people". He argued that "attempting" to confirm Michigan's election was a criminal offense because it contained a false testimony of "false" votes.
Rudy Giuliani testifies at the Michigan hearing on alleged election fraud in Lansing on December 2nd. (Photo: Michigan House of Representatives)
No evidence of single false votes has been presented to date. Many of the fraud allegations voiced by Trump supporters have centered on speculation about situations that could potentially have allowed fraud. Other claims have already been denied in court or by election officials.
Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey, R-Clarklake, spoke Tuesday night of reports of calls from the Trump campaign regarding voters in Michigan, reiterating that the legislation would not overturn the state referendum for Biden.
"We don't know if these calls are legitimate, but we know for a fact that we obey the law and will follow the normal process regarding Michigan voters," Shirkey tweeted. "Claims that Michigan lawmakers have powers other than those expressly provided by state law are false. Any change would require our courts to act."
But Giuliani described Michigan's election on Wednesday as "crooked" and doubled over the claim that there was a mysterious "dump" of ballot papers in the morning hours after Election Day in Detroit.
"You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to find out what this is," said Giuliani.
But Chris Thomas, Michigan's longtime former polling officer who helped oversee the Detroit election, said the allegations relate to delivery of vans in the early hours of November 4th that carried approximately 16,000 ballots.
In a signed affidavit, Thomas said the ballot papers were checked by the Detroit employee's prior to delivery in a process required by Michigan law.
Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's attorney, speaks during a briefing in Michigan on December 2, 2020. (Photo: screenshot)
Giuliani also claimed that GOP poll observers could not see what happened to the postal vote count in Detroit. More than 50 challengers, most of them Republicans, appeared before a Senate committee Tuesday to share their experience monitoring the census in the city.
Giuliani has appeared before lawmakers in Pennsylvania and Arizona, two other states that voted for Biden, in the last few days. In both cases he only answered questions from GOP legislators. He appeared before Republican and Democratic lawmakers on Wednesday evening.
Rep. Darrin Camilleri, D-Brownstown Ward, is one of three Democratic House members who are on the House Oversight Committee. Camilleri vowed to "debunk" the former mayor's conspiracy theories.
"Ultimately, the main problem is that this committee is trying to legitimize the conspiracy theories we hear from Giuliani and the Trump campaign, which have been refuted time and again," Camilleri said of the Republican. Control panel.
Camilleri tried to swear in Giuliani before appearing on the committee. But the Republicans have overridden his attempt. The chairman of the committee, Hall, referred to the move as "Shenanigans".
The employee Melissa Nann Burke contributed to this.
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